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on: January 19, 2013, 15:45
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hmm ok. Ill search the forum.

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on: January 19, 2013, 16:00
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Okay I got more info. I might have mentioned some of those fact last year but anyway here they are:

Around 1200-02, the 4th Crusade was assembling and 20 000 foot soldiers, 9000 squires and 4500 knight were to show up in Venice who got the contract to transport them to the Holy Land at first but it was decided to land in Egypt instead.
The goal was to recapture Jerusalem taken by Saladin.

The Venetians built and assembled 450 round ships (probably Nao or Carrack) and 50 war galleys.
The crusaders were short on money so they didn't pay the entire sum (less than 1/3) so the Doge found a solution, attack the port city of Zara to the south. The Zarains were praying on their merchant ships.
Anyway, to make a long story short, the pope in Rome was mad at them for attacking a Christian city so he excommunicated them all (French,Germans,Venetians) if they went ahead with their plan, which they did. After the capture and the plundering of Zara, they still didn't have enough money to pay Venice for the ships, and food.
So a German delegation joined the Crusaders, telling a story about the Byzantines committing crimes against their people and neighboring territories. They convinced them to attack Constantinople and put the legitimate emperor back on the throne for 100000 silver coins (not sure about the exact amount) which was sufficient to pay back the Venetians.

They finally conquered Constantinople and the different countries divided the territories.
Venice got many Island in Greece and purchased Crete which started the war against Genoa who was supposed to get it.

BTW, some of the characters in the war between Genoa and Venice appears in UWNH. 🙂

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on: January 19, 2013, 16:13
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Link, check this picture I posted earlier in the Battle of Lepanto and Preveza thread.
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on: January 19, 2013, 16:21
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I found it:

http://archive.org/search.php?query=shipbuilding%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts

Look for the Shipbuilding from its beginnings volume 1,2 and 3. There are many drawings of ships from different periods.

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on: January 19, 2013, 16:45
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Found these also:
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi303.htm

https://encrypted.google.com/images?q=Venetian+ships&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&gbv=1&sei=DiH7ULysOM6NqQGGpoCYDA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group

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on: January 19, 2013, 17:02
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on: January 19, 2013, 17:47
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Not a Venetian Galleass but still interesting.

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This is very interesting article as well.
http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/michaelofrhodes/ships_galleys.html%5B/url%5D

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on: January 19, 2013, 18:32
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In this link I gave in the SNES hack thread.

http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/michaelofrhodes/index.html

If you read the Journey Maps section, you get an amazing treasure trove of details about goods traded at the time and the connection to the Silk Road.
For example, the port of Tana (Azov ?) mentioned in the Galley of Romania map as well as Trebizond is significant of the different paths used by the caravans supplying the ports at different periods because of wars between Persian and Mongol Empires.
When the road to Tana (China-India-North-Eastern Black Sea) was compromised, they used Trebizond which was on the road connecting the Egypt-Palestine-Anatolia caravan road:
The goods arriving from China by Sea, passing trough the Strait of Malacca, Indian Ocean, Red Sea, to Alexandria.

Also, the port of Moncastro was probably connected to the rivers (Dniper,Don,etc.,leading to the Fair of Champagne, Germany and Sweden, even though it's not mentioned in the description.

This is stuff I read previously in the many books I borrowed and bought over the years but it all starts to make sense now and I get a clearer picture of the entire trading business and UWNH. 😀

That's why the Age of Exploration happened.
The European countries were trying to bypass the middlemen (Arab,Ottoman) to save on the cost of the goods coming from China and India. You know the West Indies, Christopher Columbus, Magellan, the Spanish Conquistadors,etc.

Man I love this! 😀 😀 😀

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on: January 24, 2013, 11:57
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I'd have to revise what I said about the Doge concerning the Fourth Crusade. It seems that the Crusaders forced the issue and the Doge didn't have any choice but to comply. According to Thomas F Madden (Venice: A New History) and until the final fall of Constantinople, the Venetian sent forces to defend it. Except for a few Genoese, many of them watched the battle instead of taking part of it and they also helped the Turks to enter in the harbor which took the Venetian fleet by surprise and got it destroyed (they previously defeated the Turks there).
So when the leader of the small Genoese (not the traitor ones) army got wounded and evacuated, the rest of the defenders panicked and the Ottoman were finally able to enter the city.
Among the 8000 defenders, 3000 were monks or inexperienced fighters. Despite that, they held up against 100000 Turks who were assisted by a few thousands elite Janissary (composed of Christian slaves).
If only those guys had turned against Mehmed II, the Turks would have certainly lost.

Anyway, on the 29th of May 1453, Constantinople became Istanbul and the Ottoman empire controlled the maritime traffic leading to the Black Sea by either forbidding Venetian merchants and other Europeans to enter or pay heavy taxes to continue their business.

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on: January 24, 2013, 12:07
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All right then, next time I see Pallah Abdul, Wallid Kemal and company, Catalina Erantzo will sink their fleets and make them pay for what the Turks did in 1453! 😀

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